Title: "Hilbert, and phi_w(0)" There's a straighforward coding of (some!) countable ordinals in Girard's impredicative system F, the idea for which can be traced back through Church, Wittgenstein, (apparently) Peano, to the dawn of time. Replacing full impredicative quantification by schemas, one can even take it as the basis for a clean and natural definition of provable ordinal in type theories such as Godel's T, or for systems that can be regarded as type theories in view of Curry-Howard. Precisely how this ties up with the somewhat messier definitions adopted in mainstream ordinal analysis is a possibly interesting project. (I'll blithely ignore that question.) Among many in the last century who have flirted with some of these ideas, I was recently surprised to find (actually, it was pointed out to me) .. Hilbert! Indeed, the system of "variable types" mentioned in "On the Infinite" goes a bit beyond Godel's T, in that (arguably) it uses a universe, or type of types. He specifically mentions (on p 477 of van Heijenoort) pushing things up to the first critical epsilon number. (phi_2(0), where phi is the 2-place Veblen function over w^a.) This will not be a history talk. I'll use the history only as a peg on which to hang some ideas of my own, and show you how to exploit "variable types" of height w^w to build ordinals up to phi_w(0). This happens to be the ordinal of primitive recursive arithmetic over the second number class: quite a respectable ordinal. For those who want to look at the relevant passages in Hilbert, my copy of van Heijenoort has yellow stickies at pages 385, 468, and 477.